Dylan Edwards (NDR) ([info]ndrtoon) wrote,
@ 2009-03-14 11:06:00
Previous Entry  Add to memories!  Tell a Friend  Next Entry
Entry tags:movies

WATCHMANS
I have now ... seen ... Watchmen. [I thank you in advance for your accolades in re: my avoidance of the obvious joke.]

It's been about, uh, 12 years or so? since I last read the book, so the most I had going into it was a vague glimmer of some of the characters and plot. I have to confess, I'm just not a big Alan Moore fan. I've read quite a lot of his work and I can appreciate why people like it, I guess it's just not quite my thing. I vaguely recollect liking Watchmen more than most of his other stuff, though, so I was keen to see what they'd do to it on teh big screen.



So yeah. First off, it turns out I'm also not a big fan of Zack Snyder. Again, I'm not really faulting his artistic vision, it's just not really my bag of beans. His directing style pulls me out of the movie with some frequency, and I guess I have a preference for subtle directing that leaves me fully immersed.

With those caveats, I felt the movie was basically a good ride, though I wish I'd been drunk when I was watching it so the things that bugged me wouldn't have bugged me as much. Like for instance, sacrificing time that could have been spent on character development for LARGE HUGE BUCKETS OF BLOOD. Buckets o' Blood is fine for a horror movie, but in something like Watchmen that has a lot of little detail going on, the blood kind of, ha ha, drowns it out.

The love story was fairly boring and felt obligatory.

The ending was a huge crock of shit, made moreso by the way American politics has trended post-9/11. We were all New Yorkers for about five minutes, and then all the red staters went back to hating New York like they always had, and saying shit about blowing up San Francisco because of all them libruls and faggots, etc. So the idea that a vague threat (one that was a scapegoat to begin with) which mysteriously never attacks again will somehow hold the whole world together in peace and love and hippies due solely to their fear of Vague Threat (especially after you've just spent a couple of hours talking about how human nature is evil and brutal and violent and selfish), it fails to fly.

Some of the makeup design was bafflingly bad, given how many dollars they had to stuff inside those latex pieces. Silk Spectre didn't look like an old woman, or even an old woman who'd had a lot of plastic surgery. She looked like a young woman with a huge amount of latex prosthetics glued to her face.

So. What did I like about the movie?

I like things that show super heroes getting old. I like the admission of the passage of time that typically gets left out of comics. Some (though not all) of the costuming was perfect 80s, including the stuff they usually miss, like the hairstyles.

I thought the CGI on Dr. Manhattan was a great use of working the weaknesses of a medium to your advantage. So the uncanny valley hasn't been successfully bridged yet? No problem! This guy's supposed to flip your "not quite human" switch.

I really, really dug Rorschach's character. I thought he was extremely well-done, conveying the right amount of crazy to keep you repulsed, while still managing to draw some empathy as well. My thought when he was screaming at Dr. Manhattan to just do it? The guy wants to die. He's tired of this and he just wants to die.

Blah. Okay. I have that "done typing" feeling coming over me, so I think I shall cease with my blathering and leave it at that.




(10 comments) - (Post a new comment)


[info]lunathecat
2009-03-14 04:57 pm UTC (link)
So the idea that a vague threat (one that was a scapegoat to begin with) which mysteriously never attacks again will somehow hold the whole world together in peace and love and hippies due solely to their fear of Vague Threat (especially after you've just spent a couple of hours talking about how human nature is evil and brutal and violent and selfish), it fails to fly.


I think the idea at the end of the movie is that it's not going to last and that's the whole point (the whole Rorshach's journal at the newspaper thing). The characters are celebrating Ozymandias's triumph but it is short-sighted... in the end nothing will change. I believe the reader gets that sense better in the graphic novel, when the tentacle monster is a bit more unfathomable and harder to compare to real life events.

I would agree with a lot of the details you didn't like though, like Sally's make-up sucking. Did Dr. Manhattan's penis bother you? I don't know any women who cared but almost every guy I know said they were distracted by it in all his scenes.

(Reply to this) (Thread)


[info]ndrtoon
2009-03-14 05:27 pm UTC (link)
Sure, I think Rorschach's journal is going to send everything to the crapper, but even so I don't see things being as tame as was implied (the newspaper editor's "Nothing to write about anymore" comment). So maybe war with the Russians has been forestalled, but now there's suddenly no crime at all anywhere? Politicians aren't still lying about things? There's no more murder? Given that people are supposedly banding together out of fear of the Vague Threat and not because they actually genuinely care about each other, I would think things like hoarding and territorial behavior would increase, not diminish.

The penis totally didn't bother me, and I only noticed it inasmuch as it's still very unusual to see male genitalia in a mainstream film. But then, I am teh gay, so maybe it's different for straight guys. I have to say, I actually appreciate the fact that they went there, and didn't cop out by having Dr. Manhattan wear a bikini the whole time. I figure if they're going to have all this completely over-the-top violence, if they'd then said, "But wait, man-junk is still too shocking and society-destroying to show in a mainstream movie!" it would have really irked me.

(Reply to this) (Parent)


[info]megatexas
2009-03-14 08:58 pm UTC (link)
That's why losing Ozy and Dr. M's last scene (and transferring the important line to Dan and Sally's last scene) was such baffling nonsense to me. They took all the moral complexity out of the book and replaced it with...nothing. It was a fairly good superhero procedural with some nice set pieces. Ozy was just Lex Luthor and that's all.

That said, I'm not sure I really want Snyder monkeying with the moral complexity all that much. The guy is clearly not that good at reading.

I had no problem with the giant blue radioactive cock and thought it was cute the way they used it for shock value. I was, however, offended by the utter bowdlerization of the Koyaanisqatsi soundtrack and the use of Cohen's bloated chorus version Hallelujiah, which is besides being a moaning whining dirge of a song that has been infinitely better covered than Cohen ever could (because Cale and Buckley are real musicians and Cohen, for all his good points, absolutely is not), but is a freaking break-up song and it's not hard to figure that out if you listen to one word in ten.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]ndrtoon
2009-03-15 04:59 pm UTC (link)
I've noticed a lot of movies like to use a version of Hallelujah as a straight-up love song, for reasons which are not at all clear to me. I guess because it sounds pretty so it must be all nicey-nice?

The only excuse for it I can think of in that particular scene in Watchmen is to take it as Laurie's final fuck-off to Dr. Manhattan. It still doesn't make total sense, but it makes slightly less no sense.

(Reply to this) (Parent)


[info]ilana_gefen
2009-03-14 05:06 pm UTC (link)
I didn't Watch Watchmen (there, I said it). But having read your review, I'm glad I didn't go last night. It sounds like it would've been a bore with a side of "OMG BIG SPLOSION"

But then... what do I know? I've never even read the story.

(Reply to this) (Thread)


[info]ilana_gefen
2009-03-14 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Though this "Dr. Manhattan penis" sounds intriguing! :D

(Reply to this) (Parent)


[info]ndrtoon
2009-03-14 05:30 pm UTC (link)
I honestly don't know if you'd like it or not. I wouldn't really say it was boring per se, I wasn't checking my watch or anything (and it was a pretty long movie), I just didn't think it was amazing. I was glad I saw it, but I don't feel like it's one of those movies I'd care to see again.

But yes, there is a lot of blue penis on display. No shortage (ha ha!) of blue penis.

(Reply to this) (Parent)


[info]schwa242
2009-03-14 06:33 pm UTC (link)
I liked the ending. It isn't just the fact that so many people died, but the additional psychological component that everyone is worried that Dr. Manhattan is now out there watching them and ready to start killing again at a moment's notice. Imagine how that affects the psychology of the world. It's one thing to have a religious segment of the populous afraid that whatever wrathful god will hit them with a lightning bolt based on faith alone, it's another when everyone believes it, and has seen the body count to back up their fears. Imagine what that would do to humanity as a species. You see all the nice aspects in the film of hoo-rah, war is over, we're on a new energy source, and things are being rebuilt. But who is going to sleep well at night?

(Reply to this) (Thread)


[info]ndrtoon
2009-03-15 05:08 pm UTC (link)
See, I would think that if people are in perpetual fear of a Vague Threat that has a real basis, the fact that it never manifests itself again is going to have it take on the same negatives as using a god to control people's behavior. Eventually there are going to be generations who never experienced the attacks and who only know about it as a piece of history. Meanwhile, various nuts and/or hucksters claim they're able to communicate with Dr. Manhattan directly and he's promised to protect them personally, and they'll put in a good word for you if you just give a bit of money and do what Mr. Huckster says, etc.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)


[info]schwa242
2009-03-15 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Well, I don't think it's going to work forever, maybe a couple decades. But that buys time for Veidt to make another contingency plan, hopefully one that's not as deadly.

(Reply to this) (Parent)


(10 comments) - (Post a new comment)

Create an Account
Forgot your login or password?
Login w/ OpenID
English • Español • Deutsch • Русский…